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Poster: RupertMartin Date: Sep 23, 2009 2:16pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Hi Folks,

Thank you for expressing your concern about this issue! Rupert from Internet Archive staff here. And yes, we're alive & well -- and probably like yourselves, busy with keeping the machinery of the daily work humming. (You do so much with such a *small* staff! is a comment frequently heard from folks who bump into our brick-&-mortar side of things.)

User privacy is indeed a concern for the Internet Archive. You see that in the principles of the Oakland Archive Policy (see link at http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#Report_Item ). You also see it in the response to being served a National Security Letter (NSL) -- below is a short extract from a 2008 story in the New York Times. (A big Thank You to the user who featured it in the forum post here: http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=192382 )

For users who chose to upload to archive.org, the email address a user enters when creating the Library Card ( http://www.archive.org/account/login.createaccount.php ) is stored along with all the rest of the metadata regarding the item. As has been noted in other forum posts, all the metadata associated with an item is viewable by following the link to the metadata file, regardless of whether the particular metadata value is expressed directly on the details page. This has remained unchanged.

Please note that searching archive.org for items uploaded by a particular user requires searching for uploader:screenname. Attempts to search by uploader's email address are routed to the Wayback Machine, as they're recognized as the web-information-type query that they are. For more on the Wayback Machine: http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#The_Wayback_Machine


Thank you for bringing this up in the forums! This is helpful. We're listening.


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http://ianews.wordpress.com/

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Original posting:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=192382

Internet Archive Challenges F.B.I.’s Secret Records Demand
By GRANT GROSS, IDG News Service\Washington Bureau, IDG
Published: May 7, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/idg/IDG_852573C40069388000257442004ECECE.html?ref=technology

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Although the settlement keeps parts of the FBI request secret, Kahle applauded the lawsuit and settlement, saying it will show other businesses how to challenge NSLs. The FBI issued nearly 200,000 NSLs between 2003 and 2006, according to a U.S. Department of Justice inspector general's report.
"We see this as an unqualified success," Kahle said during a news conference. "The goal here was to help other recipients of NSLs ... understand that you can push back on these."
The gag order prevented Kahle from discussing the case with the library's board of directors, staff, and even his wife, he said. "Gags don't seem to be necessary," he said. "Gagging librarians is horrendous."
Kahle's lawyers declined to talk about the nature of the FBI investigation or reveal the identity of the targeted user.
The NSL sent to the Internet Archive asked for a user's name, address, length of service, e-mail header information and activity logs. The FBI investigation was "relevant to an authorized investigation to protect against international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities," according to the FBI letter.
The Internet Archive provided the FBI some information that was publicly available on the site, but could not comply with the FBI request because the site does not track user activity or record IP (Internet Protocol) addresses, said Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff attorney with the EFF. The site asks only for an unverified e-mail address when users register.
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Poster: finnobrit Date: Sep 23, 2009 2:39pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

"For users who chose to upload to archive.org, the email address a user enters when creating the Library Card ( http://www.archive.org/account/login.createaccount.php ) is stored along with all the rest of the metadata regarding the item. As has been noted in other forum posts, all the metadata associated with an item is viewable by following the link to the metadata file, regardless of whether the particular metadata value is expressed directly on the details page. This has remained unchanged."

We know our e-mail addresses are visible to everyone in the world, including all spammers. What we want to know is WHY they are visible.

If you want to show which user has uploaded an item, why not just display their username? That would solve the spam problem and most of the privacy problem too.

In short, why do you display our addresses instead of our usernames?

Also, how confident are you that displaying e-mail addresses in public without direct consent is legal?

This post was modified by finnobrit on 2009-09-23 21:39:45

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 23, 2009 5:28pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

The fact is, I really don't give a crap about spammers. I have a really good spam filter on my e-mail and what little gets through I can take care it of myself. What I'm concerned about is someone getting a hold of my address and using it for other purposes. On this site it is not difficult to connect the e-mail with the user name. I have concerns about how an unscrupulous individual could use this information, especially to post messages or upload certain files and make it look like I did it or someone else did. If I'm being overly concerned about this, let me know.

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Poster: elmagno Date: Sep 23, 2009 5:43pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Rupert's post is completely unresponsive to the central question--the exposure of members' email addresses to anyone who would like to get them.

I don't think they would search for the uploader's email via the IA search function. Actually that's a completely absurd notion, right?

Or did I miss the money quote?

This post was modified by elmagno on 2009-09-24 00:43:46

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 23, 2009 11:33pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Yes, it would be nice if Rupert were to let us know how IA is going to deal with our concerns in more clear terms. The best suggestion I've heard would be to name the uploader with the user's screen name rather than his or her e-mail address, that would sure make a lot more sense. But how do we go about it? There's a lot of items to go through. But I have an idea. Maybe IA can set it up to where we can make the changes to the files ourselves! WE could change our own information (at least go from e-mail to user name) and IA wouldn't have to do a thing! Or here's another idea, how about if IA were to remove access to these files from the general public altogether? Now this would be tough on me since I've been having so much fun looking at other people's metadata, and I know I would be so hurt if one day I went to look at k-otic's metadata and found it was no longer available to me, but I promise I won't slash my wrists over it. But this would make life easier for everyone, no more worries. If anyone's still reading the crap I've been spouting, let me know what you think of my ideas. Then let IA know what you think.

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Poster: zigoto Date: Sep 25, 2009 12:09pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

I think that a great idea. Let's do it ourselves. And while they're at it, why can't they let us assign the section the item needs to go to. We wouldn't have to ask for it to be moved any more.

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 25, 2009 1:17pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Hey zigoto ! Did you know that in french zigoto means weird dude ? C'est qui ,ce zigoto là ?

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Poster: zigoto Date: Sep 25, 2009 5:38pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

No I didn't know that. I only knew that there was an old Pathe comedy series called "Zigoto". So I guess the translation makes sense. :)

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 26, 2009 12:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

But zigoto is really ok ,compared to therepertoire in french to designate all the shades of oddballs in the universe ! So ,zigoto , is closer to unknown stranger than weirdo ,but still it is a slang word,funy to find here ,as name for an american .Au revoir ,Mr Zigoto!

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 26, 2009 2:41pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

The problem with letting everyone move their own files to whatever section they felt they should go would be that you would have, for example, more stuff like this in Feature Films:
http://www.archive.org/details/Microfisica_Remix
I'm not putting this film down or saying it's good or bad, but it belongs in another section. I saw that there are a few foreign films sections and this is more likely to belong in one of them than here. Also, have you tried looking for feature films using a keyword search, or typing "feature films" in the search bar? You get a listing for all kinds of stuff, most of which doesn't qualify as a feature film. The mess we would have would be worse than the mess we've got now. No, we need to have a moderator, because a library this big needs structure and organization. We had it once here and I'm hoping we'll have it again soon.

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Poster: zigoto Date: Sep 28, 2009 4:10pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Of course you're right, it would still need monitoring. I admit, it was mainly the "Classic TV" section I had in mind. I do think that, at least for that section, it would be easier to REmove the few that don't belong there.

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Poster: guyzilla Date: Sep 28, 2009 6:04pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Spam from metadata file?

Yes, it should be easy, but, again, staff are the guys that have to do it, so it puts us right back to the same rut.